Seneca Foods NASDAQ: SENE.A – Canning Cash

Provided to subscribers August 27th.

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Seneca Foods NASDAQ: SENE.A – Canning Cash

Disclosure: We own this one.

Seneca is our kind of boring company. It produces canned and frozen vegetables and fruits and has been operating since 1947. It has historically not been a great business to be in, but recent performance, share buybacks, and industry dynamics have made it interesting. We argue:

-The industry has continued to consolidate, and it appears that competitors are becoming a bit more rational. The Company, and industry in general, have been acquiring competitors and then consolidating operations to improve costs (in fact, Seneca is one of two companies making up 90% of canned vegetable production in the U.S.). For example, at Senenca, full-time and seasonal staff headcounts are down 15% and 50% since 2010 on higher sales.  

-The Company’s LIFO accounting obscures underlying performance.

-It is trading at low adjusted earnings multiple, can be argued to be a net-net depending on your perspective of inventory and physical assets. More importantly, with continued share buybacks this might be quite good. But, earnings volatility and tough industry dynamics do give us pause.

Seneca 101

There are two pitches we want to point you to:

-Overview of the idea - https://www.overlookedalpha.com/p/seneca-foods-stock

-Harris Perlman notes and related X thread - https://twitter.com/OtterMarket/status/1687608891348025344

This article is meant to supplement their work. Now let’s get into the details. Here’s the last decade of performance. What is our adjusted P/E? See next.

The Company and industry in general have been acquiring competitors and then consolidating operations to improve cost. There have been a lot of acquisitions and a lot of plant closures.

“In August 2006, the Company acquired Signature Fruit Company, LLC, a leading producer of canned fruits located in Modesto, California which was sold during 2019. In 2013, the Company completed its acquisition of 100% of the membership interest in Independent Foods, LLC. In April 2014, the Company purchased a 50% equity interest in Truitt Bros. Inc. In 2016, the Company acquired Gray & Company and Diana Foods Co., Inc., each leading providers of maraschino cherries and other cherry products. The plants acquired are in Hart, Michigan and Dayton, Oregon. During 2018, the Company purchased the remaining 50% equity interest in Truitt Bros., Inc. making it a wholly-owned subsidiary. During 2019, the Company sold its Lebanon frozen packaging operation and its Marion Can Plant. During 2020, the Company sold part of its Rochester, Minnesota Plant and exchanged its Sunnyside, Washington Plant for part of its investment in CraftAg. Also during 2020, the Company acquired a plant from Del Monte Foods in Cambria, Wisconsin”

As noted by Harris Perlman, a key competitor seems to be getting smarter (see article for additional discussion of competition).

After a few years of [aggressive pricing/promotion] Del Monte Pacific had managed to nearly kill itself in an effort to win market share. It had taken on a lot of debt to buy the US business, and by 2017/2018 the US business was making an operating loss. Something had to change. The company brought in new leadership, and started restructuring. They stopped competing against Seneca in private-label manufacturing. In 2019 they closed some of their plants, and even sold a couple to Seneca. New management raised prices and turned their focus towards higher-value packaged foods.

See the “new” Del Monte turnaround pitch per their IR team. https://www.delmontepacific.com/hubfs/pdf/DMFI_presentation_FINAL.pdf

Adjusted earnings – “LIFO Reserve Adjustment”

Seneca uses last-in-first-out accounting for their financial statements and taxes, while they use FIFO for financial covenants and management compensation.

An overview of LIFO vs FIFO be found here, but effectively this means that in an inflationary environment it helps Seneca reduce/delay cash taxes while understanding the current earnings power of the business. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/02/060502.asp

The impact is meaningful, particularly with the recent COVID inflationary bulge. Of course, this means that if tax rules change there is a tax bill due, and as of this spring, “should LIFO be repealed, the $41.4 million of postponed taxes, plus any future benefit realized prior to the date of repeal, would likely have to be repaid over some period of time.”

Interest rate risk real life example

They are being impacted by higher rates, but it appears manageable. Leverage is seasonal and the recent bulge, and leverage in general, is driven primarily by inventory and secondarily by acquisitions (more so in the 2000s).

American Coastal Insurance Corporation – A hidden gem, or hiding in the eye of a hurricane?

Provided to subscribers Aug 17

Here’s the latest from Canadian Value Investors!

  • American Coastal Insurance Corporation – A hidden gem, or hiding in the eye of a hurricane?

  • Suncor Q2 update; Petrobras note

  • Other ideas from around the world

  • Michael Burry is shorting, but what is he buying?

  • Berkshire Q2 update and Buffett’s 44% CAGR

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American Coastal – A hidden gem, or hiding in the eye of a hurricane?

Disclosure: We own this one.

Sohra Peak Capital Partners recently posted a pitch on American Coastal Insurance Corporation (NASDAQ: ACIC). What are your thoughts on investing in a growing insurance company focused on niche insurance for smaller multi-unit complexes with a great reputation and a very nice twenty-year track record? What if this was an insurance company that provides hurricane insurance in Florida and was a subsidiary of a recently bankrupt parent?

[ACIC] a commercial property & casualty insurance carrier in the state of Florida that exclusively insures garden-style condominium and homeowner association properties against hurricanes and other catastrophe risks. American Coastal is a gem of a business hiding in plain sight. Since its founding in 2007, American Coastal has dominated its niche and captured 40% of its TAM. It has also delivered an average ROE of 23.1%, has demonstrated exceptional loss and profitability ratios, and has never had an unprofitable year despite withstanding several major hurricanes.

Shares appear exceptionally undervalued based on our EPS estimates of $1.89-$2.86/share over FY24-29 vs. share price of $5.63. Our estimates imply a FY24E P/E of 2.9x, FY25E P/E of 1.9x, and a P/BV and P/TBV of <1x by mid-FY25 while delivering 53% ROE. From FY25 onward, with a healthy capital surplus, American Coastal should return 100% of its incremental net profits to shareholders, which would imply a ~50% dividend yield and/or significant share repurchases. We see an asymmetric path for to appreciate from $5.63 today to $16.00 $22.00 over the next 24-36 months.

It is one of the better reports we have come across. Here is the write up. https://t.co/zWkMGn97AN

Here is the post - https://twitter.com/JonCukierwar/status/1689225931636809729

A key part of the thesis is that competitors have been leaving the space, which should help maintain and even grow underwriting margins. Some competitors have indeed left  (https://www.nbcmiami.com/responds/another-insurer-is-withdrawing-part-of-business-from-florida-what-happens-next/3070500/ ) while the Florida state-backed insurer (meant to be a last resort and primarily provides insurance to homes) is now the biggest (

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-10/hurricane-season-2023-florida-s-biggest-property-insurer-is-nonprofit-citizens ) and is trying to stop growing ( https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/floridas-largest-property-insurer-shifting-184000-homeowner-policies-from-citizens-to-private-insurers/3087706/ ).

We do not feel we have a lot to add beyond the write up and we do have a long position. If any readers have particular expertise in this niche, please reach out. Of course, as always, do your own due diligence.

Florida man rocks out to Slayer during hurricane

Suncor Q2 Update

-FFO of ~$3B+ YTD on lower than today oil pricing is not so bad. YTD brent was $79.80, and every dollar higher is $180MM AFFO, so with spot at $87 or so it would be another $600MM YTD. Refining is doing great.

-CEO Richard Kruger’s comments on the “refocus” is appropriate to us. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/suncor-too-focused-on-energy-transition-rich-kruger-says-1.6937360 Suncor got a bit lost, and I am glad they divested their renewables businesses that they had absolutely no competitive advantage in. Per the transcript: “The lack of emphasis on today's business drivers and while important, we have a bit of a disproportionate emphasis on the longer term energy transition. Today, we win by creating value through our large integrated asset base underpinned by oil sands. Discussions have occurred with our board of directors who are supportive of our revised direction and tone. And I would just leave this with more to come, but you can expect a sharper, clearer, more tangible articulation of how Suncor plans to win.”

-Importantly, we think the transition efforts are going to be forced anyway via things like the Pathways Alliance. We are still viewing the transition costs as either being $5-6B of hidden debt or a few hundred million of hidden annual capex.

-Repurchases are fantastic. What a table. We understand them slowing down on the repurchases; debt providers are not friendly and we would assume debt capital will be continually less available (coal is the canary). We are not too worried about it as they might hit their $12B net debt target early next year, and then they will switch to 75% of surplus FCF to repurchases.

As for Petrobras

We are still more bullish on Petrobras; seems like a better risk/reward (we own both, but a bit more PBR than SU). Petrobras just announced a big gas/diesel price hike, which them not doing was one of the biggest things I was worried about. https://www.energyportal.eu/news/brazils-petrobras-hikes-fuel-prices-after-abrupt-global-spike/163566/ We are keeping close tabs on this one. The CEO noted the increase on Twitter and is implying that gas station owners are to blame for high prices!

Other ideas from around the world

We have no positions in these companies but are evaluating.

“Cigar butt za Price/Earnings 2x” - SigmaTron International Inc. NASDAQ:SGMA is a circuit board assembly company that has made it to our screens a few times but we never had a chance to look into trading at a very low P/E. But is all as it seems? Currently do not own. Current market cap of $141MM. Great write up here (we suggest Google translate) - https://jakubkriz.substack.com/p/sigmatron-international-inc-cigar

Housing shortage? Why not look at engineered wood products? Atlas Engineered Wood Products TSXV:AEP “There’s no doubt that Canada is currently in the midst of a housing supply crunch and Atlas Engineered Products would be there to capitalize on this opportunity. $AEP.V is an ambitious growth company focused on acquiring and operating well-established, profitable businesses in Canada's truss and engineered wood products industry. The company's strategy involves both consolidating the fragmented industry through acquisitions and pursuing organic growth and efficiency improvements.” https://thechopwoodcarrywater.substack.com/p/strong-future-in-canadas-wood-products

Speaking of homebuilding.

If you are interested in staying on top of the housing industry, we suggest keeping tabs on the National Association of Home Builders. Here’s the latest on availability of materials for example.

https://www.nahb.org/news-and-economics/housing-economics/indices/remodeling-market-index

Michael Burry is shorting, but what is he buying?

We saw the headlines about Michael B of The Big Short fame’s new bet on the market crashing - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/investing/shares/michael-burry-big-short-stock-market-crash-wall-street/

Mr Burry’s firm, Scion Asset Management, has bought $866m in “put options” against a fund that tracks the S&P 500, the American benchmark index. These give investors the right to sell shares at a fixed price in the future and means that he could make a profit if shares fall.

Bearish news, of course, but the real story is more nuanced. He also went long bulk shippers and a whole of other things like WBD. With indexes dominated by a few very high multiple companies (see “The problem with the S&P” https://www.canadianvalueinvestors.com/cvi-club-ideas/2023/7/9/2023-mid-year-portfolio-update ), going short the index and long companies you believe are undervalued is a neat approach.

Berkshire Q2 update and Buffett's 44% CAGR

Here are the latest purchases at Berkshire in Q2. The Japan trade is amazingly timed and well done.

It brings to mind this article from Base Hit Investing we came across. https://basehitinvesting.substack.com/p/buffetts-44-cagr-and-various-types

“I've noticed three common themes with Buffett's recent investments in energy and Japan: low valuations, improving capital allocation, and rising ROIC's.

Warren Buffett initially invested in 5 Japanese stocks in 2020 and I don't think many people realize how successful this investment has been so far: That initial basket investment is up over 200%: a 3x in 3 years, or 44% CAGR on that initial investment. Each stock is up over 2x, one is up 5x, and the basket in aggregate up 3x.”

I see three things that Buffett probably saw (among other things) in Japan and also in energy:

1. Cheap valuations

2. Rising ROIC's

3. Significant change in capital allocation policies

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Portfolio Update, PBR, odd lots, and pitches

Provided to subscribers August 8th.

Here is the latest from Canadian Value Investors!

  • Portfolio update

  • PBR update

  • Another odd lot TNET

  • Quick pitches from around the web

  • Other bits - Short selling is getting more dangerous, Canadian accounting shenanigans, and some investing history

Portfolio Update

There have been a few changes since the last update:

PBR Dividend Policy, Credit Rating Upgrade

Disclosure: We remain long PBR.A.

Since our last update, Petrobras has announced a few things. Most importantly:

1)  Their highly anticipated new dividend policy. It sounds just fine; a middle ground we expected and not the dire outcome some expected. The new shareholder remuneration is based on 45% of Operating Cash Flow minus investments vs 60% of Operating Cash Flow minus capex. The quarterly distribution model is maintained and Q2 has been announced (see table). They have also incorporated the ability to now repurchase shares and these repurchases would be considered as part of shareholder remuneration. We are fine with some repurchases at current multiples, but would not want to see the dividend replaced exclusively by repurchases (which does not appear to be the plan). The buyback program will be done under a pilot of the net twelve months and expected to buy back 157MM preferred shares or 3.5%.

2) They also announced their sustainable capex target. Again, in line with our assumptions (assumed 20% FCF disappears, actual number 6-15%). These investments are supposed to be profitable per their guidelines, but we assume they will not be and hope to be wrong. As a side note, we expect Canadian large cap / integrated oil companies will ultimately spend similar levels (just look at the Pathways Alliance CCS budget, never mind other initiatives) and do not think this is fully priced in by the market yet.

3) S&P changed the outlook of its credit rating from stable to positive as a “reflection of the improved outlook of the Federative Republic of Brazil”.

Here’s the new plan, and the new dividend policy.

“Rio de Janeiro, August 7, 2023 – Petróleo Brasileiro S.A. – Petrobras, in relation to the news released in the media and as disclosed to the market on 06/01/2023, informs that the Strategic Plan 2024-2028 will have as a driver, among others, the forecast of low-carbon CAPEX for the range between 6% and 15% of the total CAPEX for the first five years of the new Plan, in compliance with current governance practices, the commitment to value creation and the Company's long-term financial sustainability.

This driver is aligned with the strategic elements that should be included in the plan, allowing the Company to (i) act in low-carbon businesses, diversifying the portfolio in a profitable way and promoting the perpetuation of Petrobras; (ii) operate in our businesses in a safe and sustainable manner, seeking decreasing emissions, promoting diversity and social development, contributing to a just energy transition and to the training of sustainability experts; and (iii) seek innovation to generate value for the business, supporting operational excellence and enabling solutions in new energies and decarbonization.”

For those keeping track, dividends are ~18% yield so far this year if you bought in the spring like we did while the stock is up 20-40% depending on the purchase. We still like the company at the current price.

For context, even with the increase in share price, this is how it is trading relative to a few well-known names using recent analyst estimates available to us. They have different assumptions than we do, but directionally it provides an indication of how they are being priced relatively using similar analyst assumptions for oil prices. Should PBR trade like Saudi Aramco or Chevron? Probably not, but maybe not so relatively cheap either. The key concern remaining for us is will their domestic diesel/etc pricing remain profitable, or will political pressure crush margins?

Maybe Lula isn’t so bad. “Brazil’s Leftist President Is Getting Things Done. The Markets Love It.” https://www.marketwatch.com/articles/brazils-leftist-president-is-getting-things-done-the-markets-love-it-9124bffa

Another odd lot - TNET

Disclosure: We do not currently own this but might purchase.

TNET is repurchasing shares at $107 vs ~$105.50 currently and they have an odd lot provision. Upside is ~US$149, closing by as late as September 13th. ~17% IRR. Do your own due diligence. We are on the sidelines due to account rebalancing and transfers. Details here: https://www.bamsec.com/filing/110465923086012/2?cik=937098

Quick Pitches from around the web

These are ideas we are evaluating, but currently have no position.

Gulf Island Fabrication turnaround

No Called Strikes Investing @NCSI_SA - $GIFI. Fabrication company that sold off an unprofitable shipyard division, made an accreditive acquisition, and is building a more robust backlog. All kick-started by a new CEO who I have a lot of respect for. Downside protection is a healthy cash balance and undervalued assets

CVI note: Market cap $57MM, but EV only $15.4MM considering net cash. New CEO (2019) turnaround three years in.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4576264-gulf-island-fabrication-overlooked-unloved-and-undervalued

A quick look at the numbers.

Alto Ingredients ALTO– Jeremy Raper

Founder of Raper Capital is pushing for change at Alto Ingredients, Inc. (NASDAQ: ALTO), a producer and distributor of specialty alcohols and essential ingredients. On June 29, 2023, Jeremy published "An Open Letter to the Board of Alto Ingredients, Inc." on his website. An interview of the situation can be found here. https://youtu.be/yj3mg-r6q9E

Just yesterday, the CEO stepped down. Maybe something will come of this push indeed. https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2023/08/07/2719709/0/en/Alto-Ingredients-Announces-Executive-Leadership-Changes.html

Short selling is getting more dangerous

Another case study of the increasing dangers of shorting failing businesses. Yellow Corp declared bankruptcy, but not before its stock rallied 170% or so, reportedly due to “meme” investors. We continue to not short companies, maybe the odd put.

Example of what the discussions are like - https://www.reddit.com/r/DishTards/comments/15dwqp5/final_yellow_company_dd/

Background article - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-06/dan-loeb-surrendered-but-meme-army-still-hits-bears-for-millions

Accounting shenanigans overseas? How about right here at home in Canada

Hay & Watson has been blackballed. Thankfully, it is not the auditor of any of our holdings. We checked. In general, we are concerned about looser accounting and the regrowth of cancers like fifteen row “adjusted EBITDAs”. Maybe we are overdue for another big scandal and accounting standards overhaul.

TORONTO, August 5, 2023 – The Canadian Public Accountability Board has terminated the registration of Vancouver-based accounting firm Hay & Watson, Chartered Professional Accountants as a participating audit firm with the national audit regulator. The termination, which comes almost one year after Hay & Watson was banned by the CPAB’s counterpart in the United States, the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board, effectively bans the accounting firm from audit engagements of public companies.

https://www.canadian-accountant.com/content/profession/cpab-bans-hay-and-watson

A little bit of investing history

St. James Investment Company did a great quarterly letter covering a little bit of investing history.

https://stjic.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/STJIC-Adviser-Letter-2023-Q2-Final-3.pdf

If the S&P 500 was weighted equally, rather than by market capitalization, its performance over the last three years looks anemic. The equal weight index provides a better understanding of the breadth of the market and the economy. Of course, not all stocks are equal, as some hold greater significance than others. Some businesses are poised to benefit and grow more due to the ongoing AI revolution. One could argue that the aforementioned five companies provide substantial exposure to AI, potentially unleashing a wave of creative destruction. However, caution is warranted when 25% of the entire U.S. stock market capitalization is concentrated in just seven technology companies, trading at materially different earnings multiple of the remaining 3,687 businesses.

At its current price of $423, Nvidia is valued at forty times its annual revenue. If one heroically assumes that the company manages to compound revenue by 50% per year for three years, it will "only” trade at a multiple of twelve times hypothetical sales in 2026...hardly a screaming bargain. Of course, market history has an interesting way of repeating itself. The most exaggerated technology bubble occurred in 1928-29 when the Radio Corporation of America (RCA) captured the imagination of every speculator on Wall Street. RCA’s trading volume sometimes accounted for 20% of the total volume on the New York Stock Exchange. At the stock price peak in September 1929, the company was "valued" at $665 million. Sales increased from $65 million in 1927 to $102 million in 1928 to $182 million in 1929. Therefore, at the peak of the RCA stock buying frenzy, the company was "valued" at a multiple of "only" 3.6 revenue. Forty-five years later, in 1974, RCA’s annual sales were $4.6 billion, yet the stock price bottomed that year at $38, about one-third of its 1929 stock price high.2 While most rational investors consider Nvidia ‘slightly’ overvalued, market momentum could push fantasy valuations higher. Comparing the 1929 period of RCA and the current situation with Nvidia in 2023, one observes a similar pattern where most stocks experience decline while a handful of large companies powered the major indices higher. In both instances, unsuspecting investors maintained the illusion that the "market" was healthy.

Gravity Co. NYSE:GRVY and Activision-Blizzard NYSE:ATVI – Thinking about relative value

Provided to subscribers July 19, 2023. Disclosure: We own both GRVY and ATVI at time of posting.  

What is Gravity Co? It was founded in April 2000 and is known for its popular online role-playing game (RPG) called "Ragnarok Online." Ragnarok Online was one of the first successful Korean MMORPGs (Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Games) and gained significant popularity both in South Korea and internationally. However, is a bit of an orphan, being controlled by its ~60% shareholder GungHo Online Entertainment, Inc. (also publicly listed and in Japan). The world thought GRVY had a tired franchise, Ragnarok Online, and was in decline. However, over the last few years they have launched several sequels to the original, as well as other unrelated games, and have ramped up annual revenues to the US$400MM range from ~$40MM in the 2010s. Now they are sitting on a few hundred million dollars while their market cap is only a few hundred million more.

When you see a company with a market cap of $555MM (at $79), $287MM of cash, ~$75MM of annual FCF, and a growing twenty-year-old franchise, we take a look.

We only came across this company very recently (we don’t spend much time on Korean ADRs), and find the timing a bit prophetic. One of our largest holds, Activision-Blizzard, looks to finally be crossing over and will become part of Microsoft shortly. Here is a comparison of where they are today; is GRVY trading at the right relative price? We do not think so.

First - Quick update on ATVI

-The FTC tried to block the merger and lost - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-12/ftc-to-appeal-judge-s-go-ahead-for-microsoft-activision-deal

-The FTC tried to appeal, and was blocked https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-14/ftc-loses-appeals-court-bid-to-pause-microsoft-activision-deal  “Court ruling is a blow to the US agency and Chair Lina Khan” – We agree. It is probably better that the FTC focuses on more important things than many gaming consoles kids can play Call of Duty on.

-Last stop is the UK Competition and Markets Authority CMA. This is a very awkward stop, given they initially tried to block the deal (assuming FTC would have some success), but are now the last regulator standing in the world. https://www.eurogamer.net/microsoft-and-uks-cma-get-two-more-months-to-reach-agreement-in-activision-blizzard-deal 

-The deadline for the deal was July 18th and was extended by both parties. In consideration, MSFT is letting $0.99 out the door as a dividend in August. “On July 18, 2023, the Company’s Board of Directors declared a cash dividend of $0.99 per share of the Company’s outstanding common stock, payable on August 17, 2023, to shareholders of record at the close of business on August 2, 2023.” The termination fee also increased – “the Company waived any right to the Parent Termination Fee during the Waiver Period, after which the Parent Termination Fee, if payable under the Merger Agreement after (x) August 29, 2023, shall be increased from $3,000,000,000 to $3,500,000,000 and (y) September 15, 2023, shall be increased from $3,500,000,000 to $4,500,000,000;” https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/0000718877/000162828023025102/atvi-20230719.htm  Amended agreement - https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/0000718877/000110465923082205/tm2321522d1_8k.htm

ATVI is trading at ~$92 vs the offer of $95 plus $0.99 dividend. With an expected timeline of three months or less your IRR is ~17% if you buy today.

Ragnarok

Gravity Co is most famous for Ragnarok online and it is long-lived. My goodness. Originally released in 2002 (and continually updated), the game is still played.

But they are also working on sequels that have been successful (see chart below). They have moved from being a one trick pony in 2018 to having several revenue generating games on the go. Is this revenue diversification? We acknowledge it is still driven by their one key franchise. But, they are also working on new games and franchises. Our favorite is their just released Whale in the High (WITH). We downloaded the game and can confirm it is extremely cute. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/with-whale-in-the-high/id6446757241 To be clear, their products are an Asia phenomenon, originally Korea/Japan/Taiwan, but now also Thailand is material (see sales breakdown by sales by country at end).

On to the actual numbers. Ragnarok is now a franchise with multiple offshoots. Revenue is growing, revenue is coming from more games, and the margins are holding. An important thing to keep in mind is net income is not bad at approximating free cash flow as R&D development is expensed and not capitalized. In fact, net income can arguably be understated as some of that R&D is for the future growth, but we won’t get into this. The nice thing is you do not have to worry about these details if something is cheap.